4AGE Team Toyota Australia dyno runs

[Frak]

As many of your are aware, at work we have a rather tasty Mainline chasis dyno with lots of data aquasition, we also have an SF-600 Flow bench AND an SF-901 engine dyno.

Well I have been getting the engine dyno up and running and while looking through lots of old paper work came across a number of dyno runs perfomed on the engine dyno back in the mid 80's!!! These runs were 4AGE Team Toyota Australia's engines. so I'll put up the figures/specs of engines etc, there is pages of info and data, but i'll just post up specs, power and torque.

I will type exactly what is on the print out sheet.

Final rally spec
11.0:1 CR
ex 258deg 104 MOP
in 278deg 104 MOP
TRD 86RYL chip (+1)

rpm torque ft/lb power bhp
----------------------------------
5500 92.8 97.2
6000 111.8 127.7
6500 110.4 136.6
7000 113.9 151.8
7500 121.4 173.4
8000 113.7 173.2
8500 106.3 172.0


Next engine.

Race spec 12.3:1 CR
LR head
ex 308deg 100MOP
in 320deg 100MOP
TRD 86RCE chip (+2)
rpm torque ft/lb power bhp
----------------------------------
5500 105.4 110.4
6000 113.3 129.4
6500 119.1 147.4
7000 121.8 162.3
7500 123.9 176.9
8000 122.7 186.9
8500 124.0 200.7

next engine

Race spec 12.3:1 CR
LR head
ex 308deg 98MOP
in 320deg 100MOP
TRD 86RCE chip (+2)
rpm torque ft/lb power bhp
----------------------------------
5500 102.6 107.4
6000 109.6 125.2
6500 116.2 143.8
7000 123.0 163.9
7500 122.6 175.1
8000 123.7 188.4
8500 125.0 202.3

next engine

Race spec 12.3:1 CR
LR head
ex 308deg 96MOP
in 320deg 100MOP
TRD GS017 (+2) CHIP
rpm torque ft/lb power bhp
----------------------------------
5500 116.7 122.2
6000 114.5 130.8
6500 121.1 149.9
7000 124.6 166.1
7500 127.7 182.4
8000 126.6 192.8
8500 125.6 203.3

NEXT ENGINE

Race spec 12.3:1 CR
HEAD GS spec
ex 308deg 96MOP
in 320deg 100MOP
CHIP GS83 (+1)
Timing GS047
rpm torque ft/lb power bhp
----------------------------------
5500 112.6 117.9
6000 128.1 146.3
6500 131.4 162.6
7000 131.4 175.1
7500 130.4 186.2
8000 125.8 191.6
8500 127.6 206.5

What I find interesting is this, what were these engines capable of?! If you have a look at the last few engines, they still have torque/or the torque is just SLOWLY starting to drop away, so if these engines were revved through to 9000rpm or 9500rpm, I wonder what they would of put out.

Anyway I think it's interesting info.

[70XIN]

That's actually very interesting, cheers dude :)

And all are just running chipped std ecu's? And the bottom one has an additional timing thing controller?

[Konakid]

What does MOP Mean? fuel octane?

With 320 degree cams, why didnt they rev them out to beyond 9500 like you said!

Would have expected 320's to make around 220hp at 9000+ yeah?

Interesting stuff, nice find.

[Celica RA45]

in the group A days you had to run the std plenum and std butterfly but could port head and clean up the runners in the plenum and also had to run std exhaust manifold as well
comp and cams were free and i think when the ae86 1st started std rods ,were to be used as well

[Frak]

MOP will be cam centre line.
so 320 deg inlet cam at 100MOP would give inlet valve opening 60deg BTDC and closing 80deg ABDC. So changing the MOP from run to run will change overlap, where valves open and close.

[Frak]

That's actually very interesting, cheers dude :)

And all are just running chipped std ecu's? And the bottom one has an additional timing thing controller?


I can't elaborate anymore on what I have there are no pics or anything, there is more data on printouts but I guess this is all we need. ;)

[Frak]

With 320 degree cams, why didnt they rev them out to beyond 9500 like you said!

Would have expected 320's to make around 220hp at 9000+ yeah?

Interesting stuff, nice find.


Many years ago I got the chance to have a good talk with Bob Holden, who raced 86's and 92's in Group A.

He saw my AE86 and we got into a bit of a discussion about them. Even though it was years after he had run his 86, he still knew every little detail, cam timing etc, it was an interesting talk.

Anyway he was saying in the early days of racing the 86, they were using standard rods, and if they revved them, they threw rods, also the inlet manifold was a restriction at high rpm. Anyway the factory cars could rev higher, eventually someone put a protest in or something like that and they got to see inside the factory engines.

Lo and behold, Carillo rods, Bob said "you can't do that, they aren't homologated", they said "yes they are, Formula Atlantic", they were using a loop hole to use them, so Bob started using steel rods, but not carillo's as he couldn't afford them.

Also Homologation for 86's for group A racing was actually done in the UK believe it or not. Anyway Bob was in Japan picking up some TRD parts from TRD, they said come down and look at what we're sending down under to race.

Anyway they showed Bob what was very close to a sports sedan, Bob says this to them, they get upset and tell him to leave.

Anyway over night he gets a phone call from a good mate of his from the UK, this guy was actually involved with the homologation of the 86's. This guys says to Bob "expect a call from TRD, I told them if anyone knows Aussie car racing it's you"

Anyway the next day they come and get him, and ask where their car has to be changed to fit in with the rules. He said they had cut all the inside panels out of the doors etc etc.

We had a discussion about the spec of my car, now back about 12 years ago, TRD blues etc were very expensive, he commented on how I could afford TRD shocks as when he was getting them back when he was racing the 86 they were VERY expensive. He ran the same shocks as what I had in the car.

and believe it or not he actually preferred the AE92 to race than the AE86, when asked why, he said he could race a FWD faster than a RWD. The guy can obviously drive as he has won Bathurst.

[Frak]

comp and cams were free and i think when the ae86 1st started std rods ,were to be used as well

At first duration was free and lift was as per standard cams, then later on(not sure when) it was a free for all.

[Tim.duncan]

haha what were you thinking when you came across the dyno read outs? very intresting!

[Frak]

haha what were you thinking when you came across the dyno read outs? very intresting!


Well Tim, the guys that know me well, know that I'm a bit of a numbers tech head, so I scrutinised them VERY closely:DD

[jaz_ae86]

Very good info,

Just graphed these numbers, all but the rally motor would still be worth reving for more power, and for race motors, the torque is there for quite some rev's.

[Frak]

Very good info,

Just graphed these numbers, all but the rally motor would still be worth reving for more power, and for race motors, the torque is there for quite some rev's.

Yes I agree, I punched some number into the old calculator and even with a reasonable torque drop they would still be making power, but unfortunately that's as high as the engines went on the dyno :(

[Javal]

Racing stripes would fix that.

Seriously interesting stuff though.

[Frak]

Racing stripes would fix that.


Racing stripes fix EVERYTHING!

[Javal]

Racing stripes fix EVERYTHING!

I tell you what, it's a good, if extremely flawed philosophy.

[Kid Karola]

nice find james!!!

[Grant #2]

Thanks for that bit of history on Bob Holden!

[RacerMelb]

I am 99% sure that I have been fortunate enough to secure one of these said engines, I am still tracing down the exact origin of the engine, but it is down to 2 likely sources Either Bob Holden or TTA, it came out of a written off Group A sprinter and has been passed from from there to two other owners the current has fitted it into an AE71 more that 8 years ago, but has never finished it off, it has now been converted to carbys but still has the original inlet and EFI system with it, the engine features under bucket shims, larger TRD valves, TRD Cams, TRD pistons, TRD crank, TRD Rods, Remote oil cooler, Factory style RWD exhaust, plus more, the nature of the gearbox is still unknown, but i have been told that it was the original with the engine, so i am hoping that when I get it home and investigate further I will be pleasently surprised. An engine of this heritage does not usually fall off the radar, so I am hoping that someone out there will have some info on the engine and fill in some gaps for me in the mystery of the origin of this engine

Cheers
Jon

[Sam-Q]

sounds interesting Jon, keep us updated.

This is off topic but I thought you guys might find it interesting. I know of someone who has a brand new bigport in his shed from the 80s, never started.

[Seventy]

That was the red AE71 on gumtree yeah? Wish i had the money for it, it was worth it just for the conversion parts, yet alone the engine, ffffuuuuu

[Frak]

I actually have a genuine TRD N1/Group A stainless down pipe, the rules for N1/Group A stated that the exhaust was free from the first flange back.

[ke_70]

this is cool!
puts in perspective how much effort and money is spent in chasing the extra 30-40hp in the formula atlantic engines

[Celica RA45]

the group A also ran wet sumps and had 2 spec motors 215hp for sprint races and 185 hp was for bathurst also had to have std exhaust manifold as well ,coupe was faster than the hatch
also new most of the guys including graham herring who was the engine tech guy

[Frak]

Couple of things, I would of thought with all things being equal, the hatch would be quicker, it has a lower Cd, also a rear spoiler would actually do something on a hatch whereas on a couple nil. Also when talking to Bob Holden back in the day, he said the restriction regardless of cams was the intake manifold.

[Frak]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/1/9/396780.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/trd2.jpg/)
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/1/9/396782.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/trd1z.jpg/)

The pipes are stainless and the tig welding is VERY neat, as you would expect ;)

[Celica RA45]

coupe was lighter

[Frak]

coupe was lighter

If your talking stripped out race cars, theres not much in it! I would of thought the aero advantage of the hatch would be worth more(which I believe the Japanese were aware of), if you look back at the day in Japan, through the 80's, nearly ALL Corolla cup ae86's, N1, N2 cars, were hatches, infact I can't recall seeing a genuine n1 or n2 car which was sedan(not saying there weren't) also majority of group A cars were hatches, I think the only coupes I have seen were actually raced here.

[Celica RA45]

this is true only raced here same goes for ra40 coupe against ra40 liftback .
to much movement of back hatch and glass is heavier might only be 10 kilos in group A but it all helps and fwd was even faster lighter again

[mrbigport]

The bloke who built my 4agte actually built some of the TTA 4age's that ran bathurst back in the day, he said the biggest issue they had was that the small crank in the bigport motors would snap after a bit over 1000km's of racing at high rpm.

And just incase you were wondering about credability... My engine builder is Troy Dunstan, he built Fomula Ford engines for a long time and had his engine building shop to fund some of his racing, Including 10th at bathurst in 1992 with Peter Brock, and winning the formula ford driver to europe championship in '91.

[Willofan]

Hey Frak, I own one of the original TTA coupes and just finished the original race engine refresh and is about to go back in.
This was producing plenty of power and revd to 9,200 with the TRD ecu and TVIS.
I should have taken some pics of the internals, Mahles short skirt pistons, knifedge crank, TRD 320 cams and the rest is pretty stock. 7.25" AP button clutch on a lightened flywheel
The car only weighs 900kgs and has the same engine as last raced. I feel so lucky that no one ratted the engine after all these years sitting in the museum.
Interested in the engine pipe you show above. I had to get a new engine pipe made and it is no where as neat as yours.
The car will be run in at World time Attack EC next week and then raced against the others at Muscle Car Masters on fathers day.
Also keen to get copies of the engine dyno sheets.
Rgds Chris

[Frak]

Hi Chris, yeah it would of been nice to see the engine apart. The pipes are very good condition, the tig welding is very neatly done, genuine TRD N1/Group A, I got them out of Japan, I also have the front part of the second part of the exhaust as it's a slip joint and has the lugs for the springs holding the exhaust together to catch onto(if that makes sense), unfortunately I'm not interested in selling them as they are part of my 'old school' 4age/ae86 header collection, as for the initial data I put up early on in this thread, that was a few years back, I'd have to have a hunt through my files to find all those runs. I've just put two and two together your car is the one from the museum, currently in latest Real race cars.

[Willofan]

I will take some pics before it goes back in tomorrow.
Since buyiing this I have found two TTA R-dot blocks, TRD spec head and 304 cams for spares. Thought I might need them for this build but the engine was in real good condition.
I blew a head gasket due to an overheat becuase the big plugs between the spark plugs were leaking.
Back in the mid eighties I worked at Ferguson Toyota and I am still good friends with John Smith who was the first and last driver of this car during its competition life between 1986 to 1989, then it was parked at Toyota head office for years then disappeared up to the museum.
If you get a chance to find the sheets, that would be great.
Yeah, Real race cars did the photoshoot back in January and story a few months later. Nice guys and is a good mag, I hope it goes well for them.

[Frak]

Chris I will definately look the dyno data out for you, just can't promise when. Many years ago I had a really good chat to Bob Holden about his 86, the detailed he remembered was impressive. Nice car I'd love to own it :)

[Sam-Q]

Hey Jamie any chance of posting a picture of the secondary collector?

[Frak]

Sam do you mean the merge of the two secondary pipes? if so I'll try and get one up today.

[Frak]

Photo taken from the top;
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/1/9/397466.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/merget.jpg/)

[Sam-Q]

that's neat thanks, to the right of this pic do they taper down before increasing back in size like a venturi?

[Frak]

Sam, no, they merge into a constant diameter, I guess this was the mid 80's :) The pipe diam sizes are 2 x 42mm into 51mm.

[Sam-Q]

into a 2"?? that's very surprising, does that me all of us are fooling ourself with 2.25"/63mm systems?

[Frak]

Yep 2", The exhaust is much shorter overall than you'd find on a road car though. Sam, I also have a number of exhaust headers(HKS, Trust, RS*R, RS Yasu) and they are all 2" after the collector. What is ALSO interesting that between the standard ex manifold + TRD secondary pipe AND all the other headers, the overall length of the pipes whether they be 4-1 or 4-2-1 is nearly the same.

[Willofan]

Well I got started with the fresh motor and it is sitting in there with most of the top end done. Geez I hate getting under cars, way too old for this.

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The biggest thing that amazes me is the standard 60mm throttle body, plenum inlet manifold, exhaust manifold and 42mm primary pipes are used to get the power figures needed to stay in the rules. I think it is funny seeing all these builds with bigger ports, big valves hot NA injection systems and only pulling less or simillar power.

[Frak]

Nice pics Chris

[Frak]

I loved Group A, so much was stock and homolgated parts were accessable to public, I was talking to a group of students about it during the week(one owns a minter R32 GTR). V8 supercars suck balls. I have a Homolgation Honda racer, it's full of HRC goodness, magnesium this titanium that, I love it! Bring back group A. Back in the day my older brother and I would go out to Mallala during the week of a Group A race, as it wasn't as popular, there would hardly be anyone there, we'd just roam around. I remember one Friday we went, walking around and Glenn Seaton is in the shed with his RS500, we're having a look, so he starts chatting, asks if I would like a pic of me and the car, of course I say yes, he says "well you better help me push it out of the shed", we did, I got a pic of Glenn, the car and myself, we then had to push it back in!

We wandered over to the Benson and Hedges M3's, Tony Longhurst came walking briskly out of the transporter said hello and wandered off, but Alan Jones came out and started talking cars, the cars were cordoned off, and I was trying to get a look at the exhausts, he asked what I was trying to look at, when I said, he said "well just climb under and have a look!" he spoke to us for about 20 minutes maybe more!

We then wandered over to the Gibson Motorsport R32's, Fred was sitting reading a newspaper, as we walked up, he folded the top down and said "Good morning boys", to this we replied in unison "good morning Mr Gibson", he asked if we would like to look at the GTR's and said it was ok aslong as we didn't get in the mechanics way, the mechanics heard this and were really good, they were doing a turbo swap and chatted to us as they did it.

We then wandered over to the HRT tent, where Peter Brock as per normal had no problems chatting to us and signing a poster my brother had bought along.

They were the good old days, just a couple of lads with no special passes, talking to racers, geting a good look at the cars, hanging around in the pits while they were adjusting stuff and no one hassling us.

[AJPS]

I loved Group A, so much was stock and homolgated parts were accessable to public, I was talking to a group of students about it during the week(one owns a minter R32 GTR). V8 supercars suck balls. I have a Homolgation Honda racer, it's full of HRC goodness, magnesium this titanium that, I love it! Bring back group A. Back in the day my older brother and I would go out to Mallala during the week of a Group A race, as it wasn't as popular, there would hardly be anyone there, we'd just roam around. I remember one Friday we went, walking around and Glenn Seaton is in the shed with his RS500, we're having a look, so he starts chatting, asks if I would like a pic of me and the car, of course I say yes, he says "well you better help me push it out of the shed", we did, I got a pic of Glenn, the car and myself, we then had to push it back in!

We wandered over to the Benson and Hedges M3's, Tony Longhurst came walking briskly out of the transporter said hello and wandered off, but Alan Jones came out and started talking cars, the cars were cordoned off, and I was trying to get a look at the exhausts, he asked what I was trying to look at, when I said, he said "well just climb under and have a look!" he spoke to us for about 20 minutes maybe more!

We then wandered over to the Gibson Motorsport R32's, Fred was sitting reading a newspaper, as we walked up, he folded the top down and said "Good morning boys", to this we replied in unison "good morning Mr Gibson", he asked if we would like to look at the GTR's and said it was ok aslong as we didn't get in the mechanics way, the mechanics heard this and were really good, they were doing a turbo swap and chatted to us as they did it.

We then wandered over to the HRT tent, where Peter Brock as per normal had no problems chatting to us and signing a poster my brother had bought along.

They were the good old days, just a couple of lads with no special passes, talking to racers, geting a good look at the cars, hanging around in the pits while they were adjusting stuff and no one hassling us.

good days!

[Frak]

David, they were great days, I remember having a good look over Allan Moffets RX7, having a look at the AE86's. I used to build and look after 13B PP's for a sports sedan team in the late 80's/early 90's and I remember running at Indy one year, we were in with the Group A cars, but cos it wasn't under CAMS ruling the cars(group A) were running what ever, I remember the E30 M3's being so fast, rumour had it the engines were bigger than 2.5 ltr capacity!

[AJPS]

David, they were great days, I remember having a good look over Allan Moffets RX7, having a look at the AE86's. I used to build and look after 13B PP's for a sports sedan team in the late 80's/early 90's and I remember running at Indy one year, we were in with the Group A cars, but cos it wasn't under CAMS ruling the cars(group A) were running what ever, I remember the E30 M3's being so fast, rumour had it the engines were bigger than 2.5 ltr capacity!

the cheating that went on in that era was pretty interesting as well

[Kid Karola]

the interpretation of rules that went on in that era was pretty interesting as well

fixed

[dove grey 64]

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The biggest thing that amazes me is the standard 60mm throttle body, plenum inlet manifold, exhaust manifold and 42mm primary pipes are used to get the power figures needed to stay in the rules. I think it is funny seeing all these builds with bigger ports, big valves hot NA injection systems and only pulling less or simillar power.

thats a ra65 airbox isnt it?

[Seventy]

Looks like it

[pen15]

that motor only just left my workshop will be good to see how it all goes i am really keen to know a power figure

[LittleRedSpirit]

Someone will have the provenance. Just keep looking.

My friend bought a 3 series beamer with a hot low comped stroked motor in it with sc fitted. When he pulled it out, it had some initials engraved near the engine number. Upon some research he found that it was a racing motor built in the 80s, that was stroked to 2.6 by using a combination of different 4 cylinder blocks and cranks, with a lot of porting and race spec internals. The initials led him to a German guy that was living in Australia in the 1980s and building race engines. Somehow, my friend found his contact info. He is now pushing 80 years old and living back in Germany. He remembered it and was happy to share some of the secrets of the engine (but not all)

Its a high revving low comp engine designed to have a big sc fitted. Makes sense as it was on a running sced car when the car was crashed and my mate bought the wreck. By measurement it hasn't been rebuilt since the 1980s it seems, and its still extremely good order. I dare say it is either bulletproof and well maintained or its just not been used.

[anastasios]

i saw this car at wtac, loved it to bits

me checking out setup, what LCA are they? cusco?

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/522472.jpg

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[Frak]

Matt, I love hearing those 'old timer' stories, it's a shame that sometimes their knowledge is lost :(

[Willofan]

i saw this car at wtac, loved it to bits

me checking out setup, what LCA are they? cusco?

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/522477.jpg



The LCA's are TRD, all the components in this car are TRD as per the TRD AE86 Bible.
Q: How's this, when the TRD parts are no longer available?
A: This is an original Group A race car built by TRD in 1986 before the TRD Bible was even produced.

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[Delazy]

Glad you found your radiator cap ;) :p

If I had of known who you were I would have had a chat :)

[xero]

I loved Group A, so much was stock and homolgated parts were accessable to public, I was talking to a group of students about it during the week(one owns a minter R32 GTR). V8 supercars suck balls. I have a Homolgation Honda racer, it's full of HRC goodness, magnesium this titanium that, I love it! Bring back group A. Back in the day my older brother and I would go out to Mallala during the week of a Group A race, as it wasn't as popular, there would hardly be anyone there, we'd just roam around. I remember one Friday we went, walking around and Glenn Seaton is in the shed with his RS500, we're having a look, so he starts chatting, asks if I would like a pic of me and the car, of course I say yes, he says "well you better help me push it out of the shed", we did, I got a pic of Glenn, the car and myself, we then had to push it back in!

We wandered over to the Benson and Hedges M3's, Tony Longhurst came walking briskly out of the transporter said hello and wandered off, but Alan Jones came out and started talking cars, the cars were cordoned off, and I was trying to get a look at the exhausts, he asked what I was trying to look at, when I said, he said "well just climb under and have a look!" he spoke to us for about 20 minutes maybe more!

We then wandered over to the Gibson Motorsport R32's, Fred was sitting reading a newspaper, as we walked up, he folded the top down and said "Good morning boys", to this we replied in unison "good morning Mr Gibson", he asked if we would like to look at the GTR's and said it was ok aslong as we didn't get in the mechanics way, the mechanics heard this and were really good, they were doing a turbo swap and chatted to us as they did it.

We then wandered over to the HRT tent, where Peter Brock as per normal had no problems chatting to us and signing a poster my brother had bought along.

They were the good old days, just a couple of lads with no special passes, talking to racers, geting a good look at the cars, hanging around in the pits while they were adjusting stuff and no one hassling us.

oooh im getting all misty eyed jamie...
at my previous job i had the oppotunity to attend many of the historic events and reguarly had a chat to the drivers and had a good look at all the cars. i think where i worked helped, but all were very friendly and loved having a chat about racing.


Someone will have the provenance. Just keep looking.

My friend bought a 3 series beamer with a hot low comped stroked motor in it with sc fitted. When he pulled it out, it had some initials engraved near the engine number. Upon some research he found that it was a racing motor built in the 80s, that was stroked to 2.6 by using a combination of different 4 cylinder blocks and cranks, with a lot of porting and race spec internals. The initials led him to a German guy that was living in Australia in the 1980s and building race engines. Somehow, my friend found his contact info. He is now pushing 80 years old and living back in Germany. He remembered it and was happy to share some of the secrets of the engine (but not all)

Its a high revving low comp engine designed to have a big sc fitted. Makes sense as it was on a running sced car when the car was crashed and my mate bought the wreck. By measurement it hasn't been rebuilt since the 1980s it seems, and its still extremely good order. I dare say it is either bulletproof and well maintained or its just not been used.

this didnt happen to be a red E30 323 coupe or something did it?
i remember a looooong time ago (over 10 years) there was a SC'd E30 323 coupe that was owned by an old guy who had died or moved away and left the car with his daughter (she said he left it with her, and didnt want to pry as to what happened) to sell.
the thing was a fucking rocketship, it was $13k to buy and no matter what i did i couldnt get the money for it. disappeared shortly after that...



Glad you found your radiator cap ;) :p

If I had of known who you were I would have had a chat :)

we were looking for you to have a chat chris, but you might have been on the can or eating or something at the time. we were gawking for a long time at the Grp A celica and its awesome slide throttles

[Celica RA45]

you mean the group C celica of beach thomas aka chickadee chicken car

[xero]

yeah that one glenn. ive always known it as the chickadee chickens car not which class unfortunately...

[anastasios]

so does the tta 4age still use the IACV? im having issues with mine and would like to know what TRD chose to do

[Willofan]

so does the tta 4age still use the IACV? im having issues with mine and would like to know what TRD chose to do

I know it is all there and connected, but I have not checked the operation to ensure it is fully open at 5K. I will run it on the weekend and go through the test. Mind you, this is all in-effective below 6K anyhow due to the size of the 320 duration cams.

[Celica RA45]

what are you bringing to the island in november chris the 40 or the 86

[Willofan]

what are you bringing to the island in november chris the 40 or the 86

The 40 has been put to bed for the remainder of the year and 2013, so it will be the 86 that is now the toy of choice for PI and sprints in 2013

[Celica RA45]

saturday i will be taking people around in my car. on sunday will be trying to have fun with the faster cars

[SprinterTRD]

Ill have to finish my trailer by then....

Chris, will you be there for two days?

[Willofan]

Yes Steve,
I will be travelling down early Friday to arrive late arvo, then get to the track on Saturday and Sunday then start heading back Sunday night.

What are your plans apart from the trailer. I was hoping you would be there for this event.

Hey, I could drop in on the way down if you are home. Let me know and I will plan around it. Hmmm, yet to book my accommodation...

Rgds Chris

[anastasios]

Hey Chris, what shocks/springs did your car run with? did my first hillclimb yesterday and the 8/6 springs made my car very taily

[AJPS]

Hey Chris, what shocks/springs did your car run with? did my first hillclimb yesterday and the 8/6 springs made my car very taily

if you met bob there?

I think he is running around the 5 and 3.5kg mark

[SprinterTRD]

Yes Steve,
I will be travelling down early Friday to arrive late arvo, then get to the track on Saturday and Sunday then start heading back Sunday night.

What are your plans apart from the trailer. I was hoping you would be there for this event.

Hey, I could drop in on the way down if you are home. Let me know and I will plan around it. Hmmm, yet to book my accommodation...

Rgds Chris




Your welcome to stay at our place takes around 90 min to get to the island.

[anastasios]

if you met bob there?

I think he is running around the 5 and 3.5kg mark

yep did meet bob and yea his running around that mark, his car handles well, heard his got some springs from you in it

[AJPS]

yep did meet bob and yea his running around that mark, his car handles well, heard his got some springs from you in it

yeah we worked some stuff out, we have similar set ups

[anastasios]

Hey Chris,

Could you shed some light on how your catch can setup is working?

Does it still go back into intake?

[Willofan]

Hey, interesting question.

The LH rocker cover has a breather line going into the catch can. The bottom line goes directly into the modified sump and the top spill line going down the fire wall and is open to the atmosphere. Totally not legal for road use, but this is no road car.

[anastasios]

What about the RH cover? is that breather line blocked off?

Thanks for the info man really helpful

[Willofan]

What about the RH cover? is that breather line blocked off?

Thanks for the info man really helpful

Yes it is...

[sevensevenseven]

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hahndorf/cars/toyota-ae71-corolla-trd-built-4age/1006729573
this anyone on here?
edit- read through this again and it answered the question, awesome car, wish i had the cash for it atm

[Willofan]

I think it is RacerMelb sons car

If I had some spare cash, I would buy it for the running gear and throw away the rest to get one of my cars motors back

[Seventy]

Thats the one that was forsale I think for about $2000, basically onlys looks cleaner and thats all....

[Kid Karola]

Stumbled accross these scans from Australian Motor Racing, Vol. 15 (1985-1986) & Vol. 16 (1986-1987) (http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=34415)

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/1/1/9/401572.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/1/1/9/401574.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/1/1/9/401576.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/1/1/9/401578.jpg

[pen15]

the question remains what is the power output ATW on the tta sprinter

cheers
mat

[Frak]

Yeah, needs a dyno run!

[RacerMelb]

Thats the one that was forsale I think for about $2000, basically onlys looks cleaner and thats all....

...... Oh and the fact it wasn't together, wired up or running!!!!
But aside from that its cleaner..... Perhaps you might find out the facts before you make comments or speculate prices!

[Willofan]

the question remains what is the power output ATW on the tta sprinter

cheers
mat

Yes Mat, I tried to book my car in for a chassis dyno test before its last run at EC but they could not fit me in. So it is the next thing on the list to do before going to Phillip Island in November.

That and rear springs/shocks and a new bonnet...

[anastasios]

what were the other cars in its class?

[pen15]

Yes Mat, I tried to book my car in for a chassis dyno test before its last run at EC but they could not fit me in. So it is the next thing on the list to do before going to Phillip Island in November.

That and rear springs/shocks and a new bonnet...

good to hear im very excited to know what numbers it makes it will be very interesting

cheers
mat

[Frak]

Regardless of what power it puts out, it would be great to see a power/torque curve. Chris anychance you could get it done on a Mainline dyno with seperate power/torque printouts, I just think the layout is nicer.

[Willofan]

I can do that, there are a few Mainline Dyno workshops around. I have no affiliation with any dyno shops so that should be easy to arrange.

I know Mat is keen to see the numbers cause his engine shop stripped and built it up last month.

[Noddy]

What sort of tollerances and specs do you guys work to when you build your engines? I have just given my engine a birthday, all ballanced and match ground etc with a guy called Bruce McKenzie. He won a host of things in NZ in a TRD suported grpA AE86 including 2 grp A rally champs, 84-85 I think might be 85-86.

[anastasios]

digging this out

what sort of oil cooler setup does this use? size of core? inlets on top? location?

[Willofan]

digging this out

what sort of oil cooler setup does this use? size of core? inlets on top? location?

Would you believe it is a Mazda RX4 oil cooler? Seriously, I will post up a pic when I get a chance...

[Frak]

Nothing wrong with the mazda oil coolers at all, very well made, flow really good etc.