engine conversion

[hinricp]

Hey guys & girls couple months ago I purchased myself a ae86 and atm I'm loving it. I think its time for a newer engine because quite frankly the 4ac is weak as dogs balls. I still consider myself a newb with toyota engines and so on as I was a nissan fan before I got my ae86. I want a N/A engine so no turbos that means no CA or SR's. I have a budget or 5k and I dont want to go over the budget. I leaning towards the 16v 4age but the 20v or 4agze is possible.

If I do decide on the 16v 4age what is needed for the conversion ?
Would I be able to hook up a aftermarket ecu ?
Would I need a different gearbox ?

[crazy86]

for 5G a 16v is your best option, a 20v or GZE will be cutting things close to do under 5G

Best bet is buy a front cut with engine/loom/ECU etc, makes life much easier, then need to put in a pilot bearing to line up the box I/P shaft, and get the ntake plenum modded, water lines altered, and exhaust made up. Other than that its pretty easy

[SEXY 16]

where is your location
5K i could supply and fit a 20v easy
well not me sprinterman68 http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ph34r.gif

[Jason]

Depends on how cheap u can get the motor for http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[Shiri]

Originally posted by edison@Feb 15 2006, 03:48 PM
I want a N/A engine so no turbos that means no CA or SR's. I have a budget or 5k and I dont want to go over the budget. I leaning towards the 16v 4age but the 20v or 4agze is possible.
*cough*

go 4age ed... it's more than enough power for a begineer and its pretty much bolt out bolt in... 20v is much more complicated... If i had my time over again i'd just do a 16v smallport

[Granto]

Getting a fresh 4age would be a really good idea I think http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Just one that isn't going to give you much trouble while you're attempting to destroy it.

Grant.

[yoshimitsu9]

would i be correct in saying about 1k for 4age (thats saying u can get the 4age for about $500, say what u like but i have found them for $500ish) and necessary parts to install then another $500ish to get someone to put it in unless u can do it ure self

[xolent]

it's going to be more than 500 for someone to install it.

[andru_g]

Originally posted by ShiRi+Feb 16 2006, 05:06 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-edison@Feb 15 2006, 03:48 PM
I want a N/A engine so no turbos that means no CA or SR's. I have a budget or 5k and I dont want to go over the budget. I leaning towards the 16v 4age but the 20v or 4agze is possible.
*cough*

go 4age ed... it's more than enough power for a begineer and its pretty much bolt out bolt in... 20v is much more complicated... If i had my time over again i'd just do a 16v smallport[/b]
yep i would do what he said... id do something like a hybrid 4ag plus the good thing about the 16v is you hav better access to aftermarket gooddies as opposed to parts for a 20v

[rallystanza]

Small port 4age.

More power, better block, oil squirters in block for piston cooling, better design on ports and head, Oil drain pipe on head to block, bigger better crank/bearings (although some later big port 4ages had the small port style 7 rib block, without squirters), All MAP sensored as opposed to AFM......The list goes on....newer also.

Jez

[Gilly]

yeah i wish i had gone 16v, would've been cheaper, and heaps easier to get aftermarket gear for them, extractors, cams etc.

[20vtouge86]

Go the n/a 16v with Carbs and big cams

If i could start over i would of just got a jap 100kw 16v 300+degree cams and some Mikuni motor bike carbs

the sound would be pure orgasmic http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[KAWAII_hachi_roku]

Originally posted by 20vtouge86@Feb 18 2006, 09:40 PM
Go the n/a 16v with Carbs and big cams

If i could start over i would of just got a jap 100kw 16v 300+degree cams and some Mikuni motor bike carbs

the sound would be pure orgasmic http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif
it sounds a good tuning style sir.

[rthy]

last time i check toyospares where doing 4age's it for $3500>4000... but that was a long time ago

[20vtouge86]

3500 - 4g!!!11
Whats that for?
You should be able to find a 16v 4ag for around 500-700 without ecu
straight bolt in fit (DIY backyard jobbie)
tune length extractors
get an adapter plate and fit some Mikuni/Solex/Dolerto's/weber etc carbys
and tune
then sliiiiiide http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Gilly]

yeah ithink that price is from a long time ago, maybe 1988 when they were new!!!!!!

[Dxaqta]

bel garage in sydney does 4age conversion for around 7grand including engine, new ecu, brakes, oil cooler, clutch and thats all quality

[rthy]

drive in drive out conversion i mean, which is every thing to run the engine, also made to look factory...

i paid $700 for 2 complete 4ages from a wrecker http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif but fwd...

[xolent]

Originally posted by Dxaqta@Feb 19 2006, 07:50 PM
bel garage in sydney does 4age conversion for around 7grand including engine, new ecu, brakes, oil cooler, clutch and thats all quality
what ecu?

[riceburner]

My RWD 4ag conversion price went a little like this 4 yrs ago.

RWD Motor, standard ecu, loom + standard rebuild and timing belt $2800

installing was $2200

full new exhaust, front to rear, keep standard manifold after reading sherwoods site.

new inlet line 10mm- old return line 6mm- fuel system + pump, baffles and fuel filter whilst using the carby tank.

brand new flywheel and clutch + release and spigot bearing.

new spark plugs + leads,

new injector seals, injector clean (2 were totally bloked)

Ricer pod filter

+ all new hoses and clamps were possible.

Labour was $400, sort of mates rates.

Thats about it really. Turn around was 2-3weeks, working on it part time.

Heaps can be done for cheaper, depends how much you do yourself. Approx $5000 for me, with nothing done by me, all done by professionals.

Why Bells charge $7000 http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg , even with a new ecu i would've thought it would cost that much, not these days. But they would have there reasons i guess.

Cheers

Steve

[Joel-AE86]

This topic has been covered more than Jenna Jamison in cum.

Search is your friend.

[Midnight_Blue]

Ur Best bet is to get an AE82 with 4AGE 16v half cut. Thats what im doing. its really useful cause all of the little things like the bellhousing bolts or waterpump and alternator are all already there.

I had a mate who just got the engine and was forever runnin to the wreckers for the little shite bits that you dont pay attention to.

Getting one with a smashed rear end at a wreckers or at the auctions is the way to go.

[yoshimitsu9]

how much hassle is it for a fairly noob person to do this? i understand that getting the engine and/or gear box out is a total of 11 bolts. 1/2 cut option is great so how wats the estimate price for that? my neighbour is a mechanic so im sure for a slab he will give me a hand plus i have mates with know how. i know for a fact the price of a 4age is cheaper than they are in QLD.

someone should sticky a DIY 4age 16v red top conversion. club4ag.com used to have one but its gone

[Micknofx]

yoshi, before I swapped the motor in my sprinter I'd never really done more than oil/plugs and swapping all those little 'shite bits' that wore out. The package I bought was really really easy, it was pulled complete and running out of another sprinter and put straight into mine the next weekend. And that was all it took, engine out friday, engine in saturday and final wiring and setup on sunday.

Just budget more time if your package is incomplete or less all hooked up.

[yoshimitsu9]

now that midnight blue mentioned a ae82 1/2 cut that seems like the best option. the only thing that is troubling me is the wiring, does absolutely every thing need to be re-wired? i dont like the idea of having the car off the road for ages cos i have to do absolutely everything

[rthy]

anyone know a "GOOD" place in melb that sell's half cuts?

not one of those $1400 for a smallport 4age in unknown condition place's