sr20 into ae86

[bahnugget]

Hey guys...

im sortof considering engines at the moment.. and i know a couple of people here are running SR20's in hachis, or AE71's (or have in the past)..

basically what im wanting to know is whats required? aside from engine/gearbox/loom+ecu and a custom tailshaft... what did you have to do?

cheeers..

[Choad]

sorry for being so negative

but y the hell do people wanna by a toyota and then throw a nissan engine in it??????
thats like buying a condom putting it next to the bed while u dont use it while doing ur buisness

[PLACEBO]

custom gearbox/engine mounts.

[PLACEBO]

i think its got something to do with the fact an sr is a light engine that can easily produce 200rwkw with a durable gearbox to match.

i've considered this swap also. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[Choad]

is it seriously worth the money i ask?>??????
being a nissan fan and lovin the sr20s i just see it being stupid. y not go 4 a 4age or 3sgte or something

[upgarage]

4age - weak gearbox, alot of work/money to make power/torque

3sgte - convert to rwd, gearbox selection, cost

[Choad]

well what is toyotas answer to the sr????????

i recon toyota have a good rep for there well made and strong powerfull engines. i dono what to think now that people are wanting to put in a sr its just str8 out weird to me

[gottago]

go for a drive in a sr20det sprinter and then go for a drive in a 4agte sprinter then decide.... 3sgte is also a good swap but a hell of a lot more expensive. and the only way is to do it with a gen 3.

[SR20_AE86]

custom engine and gearbox brackets, shifter location moved back approx 100mm, tunnel mod approx 20/30mm to clear sr bell housing, plate welded over old shifter hole. i think that covers the majors, sorry about the approximants, ill try document mine when it starts in about 2weeks, ill let you know if your keen.

[bahnugget]

yeah, the way i figure it.. i love toyota, and i hate to think of imbreeding, but when it comes down to it, the a 4ag(t)e cant take as much of a beating as an sr20, and the sr is goign to put out more power more reliably...

dont flame me for wanting more power, some purists on here seem to think n/a revving engine is more fun whatever, but there is a great deal of fun to be had with forced induction motor..

so all thats needed apart from obviously fuel system mods (bigger pump.. bigger lines?) is the custom engine/gearbox mounts... anyone know what sortof dosh that'd cost? and hows it done.. a whole custom mount, or more like a bracket between crossmember and stocko sr mounts?

oohh SR20_ae86.. u posted while i was writing that... yeah let me know that would be awesome mate http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[xolent]

^^^

i don't know what 4age you had but my 4age and mates 4age's gets redlined almost everyday on "spirited" driving and nothing's wrong with it. it keeps on getting pounded and wants more.

[xolent]

4agte's (4agze -sc12 +turbo) on the other hand can suprisingly take high amounts of boost from what i heard.

not bagging out sr20's though.

i've been in justin's ae86 and let's just say i wouldn't want to be the guy that's racing him off the straights lol

[PLACEBO]

yes a local guy from my town had a ke70 with a 4agte producing close to 200rwkw

[RobertoX]

although the majority of the motors in drift comps are sr's they are the ones that always have the issues, time and time again

and the ones that dont break have $3000 of internals in them

4ages are tough motors,

nimon was running 9-11psi on a 11:1 comp 20v with no worries

my 4ac has had 20psi put through it, and most people know how ruthlessly i cane shit

so unless its some sports sedan race car 4a FTW

[slydar]

4a's can definately take a pounding. turbo or na. they just wont make the torque an sr can.

srs can be reliable, even stock blocks, but they need to be serviced and maintained.

we will be doing an SR fitting kit within the next few months. it will consist of engine brackets, aftermarket engine mounts, and a gearbox crossmember. pretty much the same as our CA kit.

the aim is to have a kit that does not require spacing of the cross member or large amounts of fire wall "clearancing", to not need any modification to the bonnet height, and have the engine moderately low/far back.

as for shifter location. if you use an RB20 box (obviously with an sr20 bell housing) you wont end up needing to move the shifter hole back anywhere near as much as if you use an sr box.

[dirty_86]

i plan to do the same after a couple of years lol.. from what i've heard its crazy.. all i can say is.. dun listen to pppl saying its waste of money.. i guess.. u gotta find out for urself if it really is worth it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif if u go ahead have fun and enjoy! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[johnny_08]

where would u get a 4agte from?, theyd be rare wouldnt they?

[PLACEBO]

i will buy one of those kits as soon as there for sale slydar http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[PLACEBO]

where would u get a 4agte from?, theyd be rare wouldnt they?[/b]
4agte = 4agze - supercharger(z) + turbocharger(t)

if that makes sense. you could say there a hybrid motor, in a way.

[johnny_08]

so u sould pretty much take the supercharger off and bolt a turbo on then if its the same block

[PLACEBO]

its the low compression/forged pistons of the gze block plus the ability of more boost by means of a turbo charger hence more power/reliablity over stock http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/crazy.gif ow that hurt! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[johnny_08]

seems like the way to go then ay, shouldnt hurt the wallet too much, not as much as an sr anyway...

[upgarage]

but at the end of all of it you still have a weak gearbox

[johnny_08]

how much is a w58 setup?

[PLACEBO]

fuk all. Dellow Automotive have the bellhousings for the conversion. But in my opinion go SR, the kits should be out soon and the end result is far better with alot more room to move and ALOT less fuking around. Its what im waiting for http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[upgarage]

nah its not "fuk all" actually
w58 gearbox, bellhousing, new clutch setup, custom tailshaft, custom mounts..etc

[Hen is a total nutcase]

Replace "fuk all" with "around $1300 including $400 for a good, new clutch to suit" and you are closer to reality. That's doing it all yourself too, including making the new gearbox crossmember. Plus getting a good bellhousing is not the easiest.

SRs are a smart idea. They may not be as bulletproof as a 4A, but they have plenty of advantages over a 4A too.

Hen

[bahnugget]

yeah for the price of a W58 conversion u've basically got the gearbox half of the SR conversion done anyway...

i dont mean that the 4ag(z/t)e is a weak motor, i just meant that to get the sortof torque an SR can produce (or even produces factory) you have to do a fair bit to them, lowering the reliability.. the weak link is really the T50 anyway...

johnny, ther was never a 4A-GTE.. only the supercharger, but with an exaust manifold, turbo and N/A intake manifold, u can make a 4agze into a 4agTe pretty easily.

this is by no means to slag 4AGTE, they're good motors.. im just considering which is perhaps more suitable for power vs reliability (and longevity) as well as the ability for the driveline to take a lil thrashing

[PLACEBO]

i guess it all depends on your definition of 'fuk all' http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[biggo]

meh, if i were goin thru the trouble of putting an sr into one of my cars id just dump a 3s into it. Same shit different name http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[xsoarerx]

my 4ac has had 20psi put through it, and most people know how ruthlessly i cane shit[/b]

how'd you pull that off? thats nuts in a 4AC! what sort of power did you get from that?

[RobertoX]

no idea, it was pinging and had NO timing in it

didint dyno it for fear of it blowing up (we only just hooked up the boost guage for 'diagnostic' purposes to quote rex)

power? clicking 3rd and lighting the tyres, in the dry in a straight line

[Hen is a total nutcase]

meh, if i were goin thru the trouble of putting an sr into one of my cars id just dump a 3s into it. Same shit different name http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif[/b]
Rubbish.

An SR has a flywheel, starter, gearbox, clutch, intake manifold, dizzy setup and oiling system that suits RWD from the factory. 3S doesn't. Yes, you can make it all work, often with factory parts from other cars, but you still need to put in plenty of effort.

Hen

[biggo]

yair but the efforts worth it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Anyone seen the super gt spec 3sgte's? Theres something to aspire to. Dont see any Super GT cars running sr20's now do we?

[PLACEBO]

thats because there nissan. an sr will do all that a 3s will do....with less headache and $ to conv into an 86...not to mention the aftermarket support..

[biggo]

lol super gt = renamed JGTC

...in a supra no less http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[slydar]

you have no idea the effort envolved though. 3s rwd is a BIG job.

[Shiri]

yair but the efforts worth it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Anyone seen the super gt spec 3sgte's? Theres something to aspire to. Dont see any Super GT cars running sr20's now do we?[/b]

We also don't see them winning any races either.

Toda used too... but don't run GT300's anymore... and yeh... why would you run an SR20DET in the Z's when the VQ's are fucking monster engines once tuned and the RB is an easier substitute?

[biggo]

you have no idea the effort envolved though. 3s rwd is a BIG job.[/b]

no i dont http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

..... but im still rooting for it anyway http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif