Engines for ae86

[Lunatik]

Hi Guys

IM going to be building up ae86 for a drag car looking to run in the low 12s.

I know of one in perth with a 4agze worked off its nuts and still can only get a low 13 out of it.

So im trying to decide whether to put a 1ggte in it, seen a few of them around, anyone know any hp figures and 1/4mile times for them?

Another friend has suggested putting a ford 302 in it, he said he seen one race on the track a few years ago and it went faster around wanerroo raceway than v8 supercars do.

I like both ideas, 1 for the 1ggte as its toyota staying in the theme and 1 for the 302 as its not very common.

any thoughts?

[pumpkinking]

i hate you!

[DRFTPG]

i hate you![/b]

could have been said better, your idea is the worst idea i have ever heard, putting a 302 would have to be the most retarded idea ever.....it would be soo hard to fit and it would be the biggest waste of a Hatchi EVER, these cars are in short supply as it is without people like u raping them

**edit** fixed up my language

[LAZY]

Lucky your in Perth, supposto be doing a toyota v8 convertion myself however the mechanic told me I could not register the car in nsw...

Think outside the square and go for it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[Andor]

thought about ca18 or sr20det?

[rthy]

better off looking for someting lighter... ie ke10

[pumpkinking]

or something that has a better wheel base length for drag and huge power

[steroidchickens]

haha, as soon as i read the first post i new he was going to get roasted...



any way. 4agze,sr20,ca18 would be ok. still good weight balance so when you get sick of drag racing the car is still good for other types of motorsport.

with around 200rwkw you should be able to run 12s, especially with decent tyres under the ass end and a strong diff.
i have witnessed all of these motors put out that sort of power with some decent modifications.
i wouldnt go with something too heavey!

[Lunatik]

Hahaha. I knew there would be people who wouldnt like the 302 idea.

i wouldnt put a nissan engine in a toyota thats just as bad a ford engine.

i only said 302 v8 as its one of the smallest v8 engines you cant get.

im not worried about registering it as its going to be a strict drag car only.

i will probbaly go for the 1ggte.

its only in planning stage at the moment anyway, wont have the money to do anything until i get over all my medical problems and i can get back to work.

[Lunatik]

any way. 4agze,sr20,ca18 would be ok. still good weight balance so when you get sick of drag racing the car is still good for other types of motorsport.[/b]


All of these enignes i have seen and need lots of $$ to get alot of horse power

i used to have a pulsar with a ca18det didnt give me what i was after, ive seen plenty of sr20 cars making plenty of power breaking trannys left right and centre as there isnt one to handle the power.

as i said in the original post there is a sprinter with a 4agze with over $20k poured into the engine and still only does a low 13sec pass and goes through trannys every 3 monthes

[green_boy_91]

oops double post lol

[green_boy_91]

man my bro's mate has a tx3 laser i no its not anything to do with any engines any1 have said but it has no way near 20k spent on it and it does a 12.3 1/4 and its got only like 210kw but i guess its a 4wd so thats out of the question lol, but there is another laser its a wagon and it does a 12.3 and its only got like 210kw so it might just be the bpt thats in them that make more power i dont no http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[Orange hachi]

man my bro's mate has a tx3 laser i no its not anything to do with any engines any1 have said but it has no way near 20k spent on it and it does a 12.3 1/4 and its got only like 210kw but i guess its a 4wd so thats out of the question lol, but there is another laser its a wagon and it does a 12.3 and its only got like 210kw so it might just be the bpt thats in them that make more power i dont no http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif[/b]
bpt engines are very good engine. escpecially in a familia gtr.
i used to have a familia gtx and this thing was a v8 killer.
broke one gbox along the way
lol

[irl86]

you tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZGXGAmkgjM)
10 second sprinter???

[aaaaah]

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man my bro's mate has a tx3 laser i no its not anything to do with any engines any1 have said but it has no way near 20k spent on it and it does a 12.3 1/4 and its got only like 210kw but i guess its a 4wd so thats out of the question lol, but there is another laser its a wagon and it does a 12.3 and its only got like 210kw so it might just be the bpt thats in them that make more power i dont no http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif[/b]
bpt engines are very good engine. escpecially in a familia gtr.
i used to have a familia gtx and this thing was a v8 killer.
broke one gbox along the way
lol
[/b]
Yep, the BPD is an excellent engine from stock and can produce awesome power. the only problem is you need to either make them FWD or put 10k+ into the gearbox to stop the bastards from exploding.

[Lunatik]

you tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZGXGAmkgjM)
10 second sprinter???[/b]

sweet

what engines in it?

[LordNafe]

3SGTE, 13BT, 20BT

[HYPNTK]

yeah go a 13bt dude...small engine to fit in there and relatively cheap to get 300kw out of in comparison to some of the other engines mentioned

[rthy]

http://www.4age.net/fastest/ae86.htm
http://members.aol.com/itdtoy/pics/3TC.jpg

[Beserker99]

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or a 2J...but I couldn't find the 2J pic http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif

[mikewestphoto]

I vote LS1. 300rwhp is piss easy with them. Not to expensive either.

[steroidchickens]

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or a 2J...but I couldn't find the 2J pic http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif[/b]




hahaha. maybe its me but i found that sooo funny!!!
haha

[pumpkinking]

I vote LS1. 300rwhp is piss easy with them. Not to expensive either.[/b]

im so happy someone here has a brain when it comes to a extra 4 cylinders.. 302 heap of crap cast steel block.. or a LS1 Gen 3 Alloy block.. lighter.. why would you throw another boat anchor into a 900kg car??

buy a Torana and do shit correctly a 12sec drag is 12seconds in any car..

[D-limo]

Rotor time http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

[Gilly]

yeah rotor makes the most sense, probably more cost effective too.

[Brenton 86]

** toot toot** im gonna say 13b

[GAKI86]

how does the 20b compared to the 13 counter part?

somewhere.... there should be a movie clip of a 20b rotar sprinter from japan... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[D-limo]

oldschool Ferrari V8 or Maserati Bi-turbo ... Now that would be the hot shit

[orange32]

there is an rb25 sprinter that runs tens that was for sale on carsales for ages, it was done in brisbane, not sure where though

[Lunatik]

well im only going to be chasing low 12s at the moment.

Still have awhile to decide what im going to do, my doctor wont let me race until next season at least due to my illness.

found a sprinter to buy tho

[mikewestphoto]

Go buy it while you can find one as long as it's not outrageously priced and you're willing to buy it, otherwise, give me the number and I'll go buy it.

[Wally]

20BT FTW!

[samuel]

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[D-limo]

there is an rb25 sprinter that runs tens that was for sale on carsales for ages, it was done in brisbane, not sure where though[/b]
1JZ owns RB25

What about VQ30DET? 220rwkw possible on stock turbo and I've heard they are lighter than RB's

[Lunatik]

I was thinking about last night some more and then wondered how one of the new v6 engines out of a aurion would go.

[robert nguyen]

theres already a 20b in a ae86 in japan.. go youtube it up.. its fukin quik on the wangan

[Hokey]

Can't believe no one has mentions 1UZ yet? have you seen the prices of a half cut these days? like 2000. compare that to a redtop sr and you'll be way ahead in dollars, coolness and sound http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[gottago]

12's

sr20det

haltech ecu
650cc injectors
Z32 AFM
GT28/71R
extractors
FMIC

plus a few other things etc. 044 fuel pump, surge tank, custom intake, fuel reg etc...

stock internals, get 200rwkw reliably more of a tune and get closer to 220rwkw

make sure u got a good clutch and a strong rear and its def do-able all the datsun 1600's are doing with this basic setup. before going to full engine rebuilds ( gets expensive) and they are a shitty IRS setup( for drag unless slotted and adjusted accordingly) and weight around 1100kg with SR20det conversion..

[gottago]

Hahaha. I knew there would be people who wouldnt like the 302 idea.

i wouldnt put a nissan engine in a toyota thats just as bad a ford engine.

i only said 302 v8 as its one of the smallest v8 engines you cant get.[/b]

lexus quad cam 4litre v8??????????????????

302 carby 4.9l ford motor bah hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

anything is possible.. wats it for street? drags? drift? cruising? does it have to be legal???

[fixeruperer]

a turbo 4ag will do 12's eazy.
a 3s would defintely.

[jono86]

2jz FTW

[Lunatik]

WOW totally forgot about this thread haha.

Ive decided on the 1JZ, but due to financial restraints and medical problems the project is on hold.

bit of a bummer as there has been a few nice sprinters for sale in perth as of late, ah well, there is plenty of time.

[Anthony]

Slightly off original idea but if I was going to go drag racing, I'd use a FWD corolla - what else are they good for?

I think FF drag racing is an interesting class and you have all the honda boys to run against. Some off tap hachi ni with a late worked MR2 drivetrain.....

[Lunatik]

Slightly off original idea but if I was going to go drag racing, I'd use a FWD corolla - what else are they good for?

I think FF drag racing is an interesting class and you have all the honda boys to run against. Some off tap hachi ni with a late worked MR2 drivetrain.....[/b]


Ive done fwd drag racing, in plusars and corolla's. want to do something different and go for rwd.

to get the power down in a fwd car is alot harder and more expensive.

I know of a n14 pulsar with a sr20det and a 200sx with a sr20det with the same setups and the 200sx is heavier and does a low 13 and the n14 does a high 13

[anastasios]

if i was you id start with a more common shell and lighter, like a ke30 and use a rotary, i have a friend with a ke20 with a 20b and he does 9s

[Lunatik]

Yeah, but i want my car to be street legal as well, thats why im only aiming for 12s and using a 1JZ which has been done before and is legal

[Konakid]

...Why not just buy a 1jz engined car, spend what it would cost to put the motor into the 86 on mods and run 12's.......

Putting a 6 in a hachi and or using it as a drag car is a waste as it goes completely against the concept of the car...

But its not my car or money so do what you want http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif

[Basic]

Depends on your budget I'd say. As much as I'd love to see it using an 86 for a drag car probably isn't the best idea.
If it's within the limits of your funds and don't take this the wrong way but I doubt it is try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-up_UbpcMwc...ted&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-up_UbpcMwc&mode=related&search=)
Twin turbo 1UZFE. Sure it's in a Supra not but why not an 86?
Good luck whatever you decide just think outside the square a little.

[poh_86]

buy a car with a 1jz or a rotary in it
save yourself a conversion lol

[supershaneae86]

huy the dvd hpi number 8 I think it is..there is a hachi with a 2j in it.it runs high 9 secs....

[Jonny Rochester]

I think something insired from JGTC would make us happier. It's all about where you get your influence. Do some resurch on Toyota racing, see what the Toyota teams had in different classes over the years.

70's rally: 2T-G and 16v versions of 2T and 18R
80's rally: 3T-GTE or "4T-GTE"
80's rally: as a boy, Neil Bates used a 22R with turbo in a RA23 Celica
90's rally: 3S-GTE
JGTC 500: 3S-GTE or 2UZ V8? 3UZ?
JGTC 300: a few AE86s?

What are Toyota using in NASCAR right now? And the NASCAR trucks? Indy cars? Even if it sounds out of reach, best to find out, you never know what you may find second hand.

How much cooler would it be to use a ex Toyota Indy car motor rather than a Ford 302. Something to resurch...

[yoshimitsu9]

3SGTE, 13BT, 20BT[/b]

20b wont work!!!!!!!! unless you convert the car to LHD. the exhaust ports fowl the steering rack

[dr1ft-pig]

why dont u just not rape a hachi and buy the 1ggte trueno on carsales good startng point for a drag car and then u save another hachi from being butchered...

[ae86hachiroku]

2JZ!!! hahahaha

[DR1FT]

go for a little mazda 1300 or similar if you can find one. they weigh only a bit over 750kg or something like that. 13b or 12a it and you have a winner!

or

but if you really want a v8. put it in an old cortina or something ive seen this done before.

or a datsun 1200 with a 13b. been done alot so it would be alot easier to get info about.

GL man

[jezz]

1uzfe or sell and buy aw11 and bolt a turbo on the 4agze and go for 10's/11's

[DR1FT]

Agreed.

light. powerful enough.

RR=weight over rear tyres.

[asuka]

if it has to be non toyota , go 20B triple rotor. with heaps of work and then boost the crap out of it, im sure it will beat most cars. If i was gonna make a drag car with toyota, ke20/25 would be a better choice.

[DRFTPG]

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or a 2J...but I couldn't find the 2J pic http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif[/b]

2jz plus nas http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif, but seriously dont ruin a hatchi as a drag car, why not a supra or a torana or somthing like that?

[Dongaz]

Why would u bother putting something like a v8 or a heavy and large engine like the 300zx into the 86. Its alot of effort getting the engine back far enough into the firewall so its balanced with a CA and SR let alone some hunk of crap like that which will weigh the front end down dramatically. The only reason why u might even consider putting such a large engine in like that would be for the torque. Still using something with a smaller engine will turn out with much better results and cost u so much less.
Oh and $2000 for a 1UZ why would u when u could get a 13bt half cut for $2500
Heck thats what they're there for. High revs, lotsa psi and learn to hang the fcuk on. Goodluck with wateva ya do.

[harrygat69]

best ever engine for the ae86 is the 3sgte with minor mods ans still using stock injectors and stock highflowed turbo will do 225rwkw which would just creep into a high 11 with drag radials and drag suspension setup
but if i took drag racing seriously id go out and buy a gts sw20 mr2 with stock suspension fit drag radials, a big turbo/injectors rear mount air to air intercooler/ ecu and it would be mad for 1/4 mile times and cheap, and easy for road worthy, and imagine the exhaust u could use on the track straight off the turbo no nothings and only less than 1 meter long !!!!