4age wont bolt up to 4age?

[goose101]

hey everyone, i am doing a 4age conversion and ive run into a problem, i went to bolt the gearbox up to the motor today, and half of the bolts don't seem to line up? its a adm t50 and a bigport 4age, with the dowels that are spose to go in the top of the bell housing, the dowel is on the passenger side top sticking out of the engine, whereas the whole for it in the bellhousing is in the drivers side top, and a couple of the bolts just don't seem to go anywhere? I'm confused, please help

[Nikkojoe]

Could you take some pics?

You have either:
-lined the box up wrong (on a slant and put the dowel in a bolt hole)
-don't have a t50 or a belhousing for 4a
-somehow trying to bolt up 2x 4age' together

[goose101]

yeah im not sure exactly what the engine is, the guy told me that its a 4age bigport but some signs show it may be a gze, it has an oil return on the sump and a feed on the block just above it, and yeah ill take some pictures tomorow when its light but yeah just measured the flywheel too and its 215mm contact face

[dying3k]

4ages where released with oil cooler, that returned to sump(banjo barb fitting on sump)

[Ktas]

t50 to suit t series motor?

count the teeth on the output shaft of the gearbox and post the answer here

[goose101]

right, just went out and counted some output shaft teeth, and there appears to be 21, also i had a look for some markings on the box and all i found was an old toyota logo on the lower drivers side and 1-2 written underneath it

[sundee]

i thought all T box's were 21 splines on input , only vary in the output, 20,22 or 23.
correct me if im wrong

best was to line them up is to look at where the stater motor bolts up.

also if your clutch splines are not aligned with the splines in the crank it will make your job 5 times harder,

but take some pics so we can see what your on about.

[goose101]

right, i was incorrect in my last post, input is 21 spline, output is 20, i have taken many pictures to show the gearbox and the back of the motor
the stud in question, top passenger side
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320697.jpg
where the hole for a stud is on the box, drivers side top
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320699.jpg
the bell housing
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320701.jpg
some marking on the box
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320703.jpg
the whole box
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320705.jpg
back of the motor
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320707.jpg
the possible oil return thingy
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320709.jpg
the suspicous oil feed and return lines
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320711.jpg
extension housing
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320713.jpg

[goose101]

and here is a picture of an actual t50 bell housing, completely different!
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/6/6/8/320715.jpg

[pauliee]

i think you'll find this is a t50 that came in a t18...

ive got one sitting in a shed, get photos if no body has any sometime this week..

[goose101]

so does that mean it wont fit? and i have to get another gearbox?

[pauliee]

yes.

if memory serves me correctly, the imput shaft is different, and for a fact i know the output shaft is has more/less (cant remember) splines.

i kept mine for the the chance that the internals are the same.. if you can find out whether they are or not, the reco might not be so wasted..

unlucky dude, where did you get it from? shame you werent made aware it wasnt what you were really after.

[goose101]

yes.

if memory serves me correctly, the imput shaft is different, and for a fact i know the output shaft is has more/less (cant remember) splines.

i kept mine for the the chance that the internals are the same.. if you can find out whether they are or not, the reco might not be so wasted..

unlucky dude, where did you get it from? shame you werent made aware it wasnt what you were really after.

yeah i just got it off a guy i know, i bought the engine, gearbox, crossmember and a few other bits off him as sort of a package, just heaps of bits havent been right and is costing me more than if i had of just got the bits individually in the first place

[*E7*]

correct. it is t18. slave cylinder is on the drivers side. combined with the output spline count.

with a lot of mucking around you can change the bellhousing, but better to find a t-50 from an ae71 or ae86.

[pauliee]

correct. it is t18. slave cylinder is on the drivers side. combined with the output spline count.

with a lot of mucking around you can change the bellhousing, but better to find a t-50 from an ae71 or ae86.

absolutely! find yourself another, but i would look into whether internals are the same..

ones just popped up in melbourne in the for sale section, pretty good price considering what some go for these days!

[goose101]

absolutely! find yourself another, but i would look into whether internals are the same..

ones just popped up in melbourne in the for sale section, pretty good price considering what some go for these days!
yeah i wanna try find one around the sydney region coz i dont wanna have to get a gearbox posted haha
build thread here aswell if anyone wants to have a look
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php/70431-the-yellow-ke70-quot-rumble-bee-quot-daily-drifter-build (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php/70431-the-yellow-ke70-quot-rumble-bee-quot-daily-drifter-build)

[*E7*]

the one in melb you;ve pm'ed doesn't come complete. might be worth checking what exactly is missing.

[goose101]

yeah hopefully not the bellhousing haha, ill keep looking

[pauliee]

yeah its missing a fork and shifter, pretty easy shit.. i think ive got a spare of both if you needed. only thing would be frieght wont be cheap...

put up a wtb thread, and who knows what might come up..

[goose101]

yeah thats why i dont want to buy from interstate, the freight will be as much as the box itself

[goose101]

Right, I found a t50 from an ae71 so I now have a rebuilt t50 from a t18 for sale