Should i purchase?

[joshdanks1994]

Ive been looking on carsales and other websites and finally i have found a nice looking ae86 levin, i just want to know is it worth the $12,500 and should there be anything i should be looking out for? i know my bit about the ae86 like most, but would like some extra advice on anything that i might miss? but please let me know if i should go ahead as this does look like a clean ae86 with some extra goodies to come with it.

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/toyota-sprinter-1983-14640283?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=3&eapi=2&__N=1246%201252%201247%201282%204294962861%2042949 64187%201216&num=15&silo=Stock&sort=default

[dove grey 64]

Looks like its well built. Parts list is pretty good too. Question really is do you think its worth it. Is that how you want your dream 86 to be? Personally its not to my taste but that's not relevant here. You could spend more then that building a adm to that spec. But for 12.5k I'd want a rwc thrown in the deal

[slide86]

why is there an intercooler in the first pic?

[joshdanks1994]

Most of the parts in there is what i had discussed on doing to the 86 and it has potential to go further, and looks wise nothing i couldn't change body kit, wheels, hood etc, the interior looks nice as well if it was going to be changed it would be taking things out rather that actually changing anything and i could discuss the rwc, but it all comes down to is if people thought 12.5k was worth it for that 86

[joshdanks1994]

slide86 what do you mean?

[mcBen]

He means why would there be an intercooler if it's not turbo or supercharged

[Jak_ae71]

[QUOTE]i just want to know is it worth the $12,500/QUOTE]
you couldn't build it for that so yes but, i would rather have to spend a little more to get it the way i want it and plus, the best part is building it. Just my 2 cents.

[bunki86]

haha intercooler.

i remember seeing a honda year agos with a intercooler hooked up, with an air cleaner on one side baahah.

that ae86 doesnt look to bad, as said, if all is as nice as it says. you cant build one for that, inc buying the car.

might find a stockish clean jdm one for around 12-13 tho.

[slide86]

slide86 what do you mean?

the fact that you are asking this means you shouldnt be buying it

[mcBen]

It's a pretty variable market. You see decent condition stock adm ones go for 5k, then nicely modified versions with good body work struggling to sell for 9k

[Matt]

and you also see full shit boxes go for 14k.

I'd offer him 10k personally and go from there.

[joshdanks1994]

i know what an intercooler is used for, i sent him a message asking the reason, he was half way through a turbo conversion had all the parts ready to go just had to make the exhaust manifold and intake piping, im guessing he first installed the intercooler, the reason he stopped is he bought an s13 and is building that (reason he is also selling the ae86), and i know building it is a good process, but finding a nice stock one these days is a needle in a haystack even imports but your more likely to get a good condition, but yet yet finding one that has the body work done and the engine mods half way there i just feel if i miss the opportunity ill regret it when im struggling to find one.

[dove grey 64]

Fair enough. I'm always suss on buying another persons painted shell because its hard to tell the prep work behind the paint. You might think your doing yourself a favor but you could end up fixing rust anyway if you get what I mean.

[joshdanks1994]

yeah i see, Any areas that might be good to check in general on the shell? even if it has been resprayed.

[dove grey 64]

Depending on year really. Check rear arches,top windscreen,under rear bumper and hatch. Check rails for stress cracks near the firewall. Obviously make sure they are straight. Check light reflections over body for repair work. That's a start

[rthy]

like "any" modified car, dont buy this car thinking you won't have problems.
if something goes wrong and you take it to a mechanic, don't expect a easy/cheap fix.

[dove grey 64]

Like Leo said, thing about this car is it isn't exactly cheap to begin with so you want it to be right from the get go. Hence why I said make sure it comes with a rwc part. No point paying top dollar for a modded adm 86 then having to pay more on top to be able to transfer it to your name. I don't know what your finances are like etc but those things would concern me when buying one at that price. A imported ae86 I would spend up to 15k, I'd spend up to 7k on a modded adm.

[joshdanks1994]

thanks for those pointers, yeah i would try to make sure that im not going to run into a major problem down the track but i know not guaranteed, sent him a message about the rwc just waiting for him to get back,yeah i see what you mean mate, this being my first 86 any tips on how to make a good deal like you said you would spend 7k, so should i try and maybe bring the price down what would be a good reasonable price? (for that 86 generally speaking)

[dove grey 64]

Like Matt said. 10k sounds reasonable. Have you seen or driven it yet? Wouldn't make an offer till then

[dove grey 64]

Also fiberglass bonnet won't pass rwc. So that's one thing to think about. You'll need a bonnet and also you'll have to get it painted too. Most likely will need engineering for engine and brakes. Depending on the size of the rims size they might not pass either. What type of front seats are in it? If they arnt might adr not approved same goes for that. You just need to work out what's needed for rwc that and then push the buyer to supply one or knock down the price in accordance with future dollar costing items you'll be paying for to be able to transfer it into your name.

[joshdanks1994]

messaged him about the rwc he is going to enquire, me and my mate are going next week to have a look at it and give it a run hopefully, and yeah true didnt think about the fibre glass hood, if it already has the engineer cert. for everything that wouldnt be a problem would it? and there is bribe seat for the driver, and the rest are the stock seats, and yeah i know what you mean, like you said you would offer 10k but you also said you would offer 7k for a modified adm are you generally speaking for the 86 im showing?

[Jimmee1990]

I wouldn't offer any more than around 9 for a converted adm car, considering my coupe cost 11 landed. You never know 100% how well any of the mods/paint etc have been done and how many of them will need to be redone if something goes wrong.

[joshdanks1994]

okay then im starting to think this guy wants a bit to much for this 86 am i right? and im guessing you imported got any pointers from your personal experience?

[dove grey 64]

if i can speak on james behalf about importing experience, pointers would be choose a good importer and be patient. he waited for the most original one he could find in his price range.
benefit of this is transparency of vehicle condition, original paint shows up condition of metal work behind it, and lack of vehicle mods means almost everything is as how it left the factory ie. working and nothing dodged to make it work etc.
pretty much a blank canvas add stuff to not fix up.
my comment about 7k was just me saying i personally wouldnt spend more then 7k on a modded adm, not necessarily about this car.
if his asking price is 12.5k it would be a struggle to get him to 7k. you might be able to get to just under 10k if you push the non road worthy angle.
i could be wrong but from what i know you cant engineer a fibreglass bonnet because it wont pass crash reg's.
also check the firewall, the car might be running coil packs which is ok, but sometimes people bash the firewall in the keep the dizzy which is on the rear of a 20v head. if the later has been done and your mechanic doing a rwc picks up on it you might be up shit creek too.
funny how some people do these mods to their cars thinking all this stuff adds value but it actually decreases it, and makes it near impossible to sell.
on the pics the car looks really good. check it out in person i say

[joshdanks1994]

the car comes with rego he had a stock seat in it at the time and the hood was the original, he changed both after registration, he said he could chuck in a mr2 seat using the same rails as the 86 so that wouldnt be a problem, and yeah i know you have to be patient and i know what you mean thanks for that, true that when you said 7k i thought from 12.5k down to that would be an insult if i offered that to him, but 10k sounds more appropriate, and ill make sure to check the firewall then really cant afford to have things fixed especially just to get an rwc, and yeah going to go have a look and hopefully give it a run and see how it all pans out

[Seventy]

Heres the build thread http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php/13272-So-its-ugly-on-the-outside/page26

[joshdanks1994]

adrian (seventy) what you talking about?

[Seventy]

It is the build thread for the car for sale.... Go back through it if you wish

[t-nol]

Josh, being in NSW, we don't have RWC (road worthy certificates), you just need to find a guy to do a friendly "Pink slip" (old days) when rego comes around.
With ANY car you look to buy, especially modified cars, you need to allow cash aside to "fix" them once you buy them. As long as you can afford that, go for it,,,, if this soaks up all your budget, it will end in tears as it sits broken in the garage, until more funds are raised.

[joeschmo_57]

There is a build thread for this

[joshdanks1994]

yeah i know that we have pinkslips didnt they can pink slips a couple months ago or am i wrong and was it something else? and yeah money will be put aside for any problems ive been messaging him he hasnt had problems with it for a long time and says it runs great (will be inspecting the car in person) but i know you never know what will happen, and i have been going through the build thread

[Rice86]

JDM and ADM is the exact same shit when it has all the running JDM gear or better aftermarket stuff, excluding coupes and factory truenos of coarse

Car looks good for what it is, and already has a 20v and usual upgrades

[Sam-Q]

as for better engine bay pics and post them here

[joshdanks1994]

yeah no difference one the car has been upgraded with usual bits, and yeah its has already most of what i would of started, for building process i know people said its a good part of the process of your car my mate is purchasing one stock import if he has to, and we will build that together but obviously might be a while till he gets it so im happy with a built one for now which i could upgrade later on, and yeah 20v and usual upgrades what hooked me in the first place, im going to look at the car this week ill take a couple pics

[dove grey 64]

JDM and ADM is the exact same shit when it has all the running JDM gear or better aftermarket stuff, excluding coupes and factory truenos of coarse

Car looks good for what it is, and already has a 20v and usual upgrades

I agree to most of this. Like I've said in the past everything was made in Japan. How ever the majority of cars I've seen converted still don't turn out as solid as a factory jdm car such as little things like dash rattles and loom hack job issues. True they are little issues and shouldnt deter a purchase but to some people they can be annoying factors that become more work in the future when in the pursuit of perfection....of a 30 year old car......

[Jimmee1990]

JDM and ADM is the exact same shit when it has all the running JDM gear or better aftermarket stuff, excluding coupes and factory truenos of coarse

Car looks good for what it is, and already has a 20v and usual upgrades
I also agree for the most part, however there are a few key differences for me. Insurance is way cheaper for the same agreed value for a jdm than adm purely because one has had an engine conversion and one is standard. Doesn't matter that they could be exactly the same otherwise. Modded cars are 90% of the time never as well done as a car that came that way as factory was, due to poor workmanship and/or just a general lack of skills and understanding. Also I would be mindful of it running an aftermarket ecu, because getting pulled over and them sending you to the EPA for emissions would be a great way to feel good about your new purchase.

[joshdanks1994]

yeah i understand the insurance will be a costing factor, i would have to ask if it has been passed for emissions and regulations, maybe it has maybe it hasnt but when was the last time a cop pulled you over and sent you to the epa unless they have their suspicions, and yeah modded cars are not always going to go smoothly unless each upgrade was fitted by a mechanic in the business for years i understand that, just been hearing few bad pointers from replies though

[dove grey 64]

How'd you go josh? Check it out?

[joshdanks1994]

bit early mate, going to check it tomorrow, if all goes ahead ill be putting pics up and letting you all know, any last minute pointers would be greatly appreciated? and thanks guys for all the replies!