Please, all be at peace, your friendly resident XT130 nazi is in the thread.
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yeah i dont have the headlight covers although i might try and get them back of the old owner and paint them! obviously want be used on the street
might look at putting a 18rg for some dohc!
would i be able to use the same 4 speed box and everything? sorry i'm a noob with old toyota motors!
Last edited by trueno85; 10th August 2009 at 10:55 PM.
Here we go -
Your choices for an engine conversion are limited only by your skill and budget. The xT13x chassis vehicles seem to have quite a wide yet short engine bay when you have the starfire engine in them.
This is almost entirely due to the cost cutting undertaken to transplant said motor into said vehicle as cheaply as possible. As such it was mounted a LONG way forward to save adapting a toyota gearbox to the motor (they run a borg-warner 505).
Before we go over the engines which you are most likely to choose from, lets go over how you've unwittingly shot yourself in the foot.
You see, all bar one variant of the xT13x share the same floorpan, these being the early and late XT130 sedan, the RT133 sedan and the RT132 hatchback.
By purchasing an XT130 wagon (RT13x was not released in wagon) you've ruled out bolt-in swaps from the RT series, which has a much more universal powertrain component lineup.
Anyway, as for engine choice -
18R-C
This is the engine from the RT132 corona, as well as the RA28 Celica and some early hiluxes. They are a single overhead cam 2L, and are much nicer than the starfire. However they are not a huge improvement power-wise. Maybe 20% more, but they are much more livable.
The xT13x's all share the same crossmember, so with RT132 engine mounts, she's a straight bolt-in, along with the W50 gearbox and associated crossmember. HOWEVER because you have a wagon, you're on your own for making a differential fit and a tailshaft to suit. This goes for all the R motor conversions listed
To make the whole shooting match work on the inside, you'll want an RT132 gauge cluster and speedo cable as i believe these are different XT13x to RT13x. I have no doubt the wiring is different also. Talk to wanabedrifter on that one, he's done the 18R-C swap.
18R-G / 18R-GU / 18R-GRU
This is the conversion i am in the (very slow) process doing.
They are one of the first mass produced twincam engines in the world. They're a 2L tractor motor. They cost way too much money to purchase and build. They're out of the RA28 GT / RA40 GT / RT104 GT / RT132 GT. All of these vehicles are japan only, with some imported in small numbers by dealers.
Do something else, save your wallet the trouble unless you find a good running one cheap, and pray you never have to find new pistons for one.
22R-C
These are a 2.4L SOHC single carb out of some hiluxes, and believe it or not, some toyota coasters buses.
Much better choice than the 18R-C purely due to displacement. When mated with a W-50 gearbox (as opposed to a G-52 hilux box) the ratios will be good for spirited performance. Consider it around a 35-45% increase on the starfire. As they are a carb'd motor there's no EFI converison to worry about.
Probably worth the effort.
22R-E
It's really not worth performing an EFI conversion on an xT13x chassis unless you have something nice to put in it. The 22R-E is an injected version of the 22R-C, as its engine code implies. These were in the RT142 corona, and are good tough motors. Great for skids of various descriptions. Ask Konakid and AJPS about that one. Actually don't, cause it's not worth your time. Theoretically a 50-60% power increase
If you were to do it, you'd want an entire RT142 to transplant everything over from. and even then there'd still be a good whack of fabricating fuel and brake lines. It's a headfuck transplant a 22RE into an ST141, let alone an xT13x.
1UZ
Heh. Now we're talking. I always wanted to do this, but the fact that i'm poor as fuck stops me. The engine bay is big enough, the trans tunnel not so much. Crack out the hammer, welder and grinder, buy a half cut AND GET CONVERTING ALREADY. 300% power gain easily.
202ci
Please die. Please.
I think that about covers it.
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Also remember that upgrading all the other systems of the vehicle to cope is a MUST.
I.e, if you put in one of the listed motors, consider the braking system from that vehicle as a required upgrade, along with some fettling of the suspension.
Also, before you ask - DO NOT MOD THE STARFIRE.
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shit thanks a lot for all that information!
although now i'm annoyed as i'm pretty stuffed with the wagon without going through a fair bit of custom work trying to get the diff and tail shaft to suit
in all seriousness i think that the 18r-c swap would be the best for me as its just going to be a daily with the odd skid and just had a quick look and would that a 18r-c motor was for sale for 100 and the w box for 200
so has wanabedrifter done the 18r-c conversion to a wagon or just a normal xt?
believe me i know there is no hope for the starfire!
He did his to a sedan.
You may be lucky with regards to the diff / tailshaft -
If you get the mounts cut off your B/W diff and put onto an RT132 T-series, the tailshaft from an RT132 MIGHT be the right length.
I've never done the research because it's never been something i've had to think about before.
I've always wanted an early XT wagon though. Without the starfire, naturally.
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so basically everything in the engine bay will bolt up easy as the cross member and mounts are the same, and i will need a mid bath sump?
and then i will have to measure the tailshaft of the rt132 to compare it to the xt130 and most likely change the mounts on the t series diff
basically if there isn't much work needed for the tail shaft and the diff it should be a cheap conversion
there would be no issues with the w series box lining up with the shifter position would there?
There you go. Any more questions, ask away.
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great stuff mate! do you know of anyone else that has actually done the 18rc conversion into the wagon?
Nice car dood!
I found a few of these today at wreckers on my search for st141 parts(annoying at the time)
If you need anything postable let me know
josh
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